Lifelong NYS resident. Raised in Saranac Lake. Cornell graduate(ROTC). Army veteran, Airborne/Ranger qualified, 10th Mtn Div, stints in Honduras and with JTF VI. 3rd degree Black Belt; 3x cancer survivor; published writer with several featured stories in Adirondack Life Magazine. Residing in Watertown NY with wife Robin & our 3 adult children. Loving Life. Living in the Day I am in.
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JB
Thank you for writing this up. I was peripherally aware of the controversy from the comment updates that I receive via email, but I had not known the important details. I think that you are right to point out the dangers of retroactive censorship. If you’ll bear with me, my first thoughts approach the issue from a different angle: What is the purpose served by censoring historical speech in this way? Is “Saranac Laker” genuinely trying to help the living indigenous people of New York State in their plight, here and now?
Because while proactively changing team names and mascots can offer a very real form of ongoing restitution and combat the harmful perpetuation of dehumanizing stereotypes, going after a freelance writer (or his editor), retroactively, for using a historical term arguably does not. …What’s more, the fact remains that those purportedly interested in furthering the cause of indigenous justice in this way arguably perpetuate injustice towards living, breathing indigenous people by focusing exclusively on symbolic gestures. To those interested in advancing real, meaningful restitutions for our indigenous neighbors, I suggest that this must be done through real, positive advocacy–advocacy for land rights, for territorial sovereignty, for cultural revitalization efforts, for livable housing, for justice for missing and murdered indgenous women, for environmental injustice, for cultural reappropriation, among a myriad of other important issues. …Advocacy against cultural appropriation, while an important component, cannot be the ultimate and final goal–this alone cannot build a positive reality. As cynical as it sounds, I fear that the actions and attitudes of those engaging in this sort of politicized, watered-down “indigenous advocacy” (like “Saranac Laker”) are tantamount to indolent and detached tokenization of indigenous people, solely done for the purpose of advancing personal and political agendas.
And finally, it could be argued that some indigenous persons want to focus almost exclusively on symbolism; or, there are some that might argue that we need to follow proper protocol and interface with tribes through official channels every time any marginal use of the word “Red” comes up in a formal setting–notwithstanding the complete impracticality of this. …But we are all human beings, and I think that the least that each of us can do is to use some common sense as our guide and treat each other with respect–not as abstract symbols and fragile, historicized objects.
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Bob Meyer
Richard,
Keep on keeping on my friend!
There is a Latin phrase that translates to “don’t let the bastards get you down“. I am completely supportive of your right to tell your story in your own words without censorship. Furthermore, even this old liberal finds absolutely no evidence of any racist intent in anything you have written.
And I will sign my name for all to see. Bob Meyer, Cortlandt Manor & Pottersville, NY
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rdmonroe5
Thanks Bob. Sounds like the title to a Lynard Skynard Southern Rock ballad. I just bought two new pairs of sticks. Getting my drum set back up and running is on this year”s list. I probably need to invest in a new kit, but I still have all my old stands, cymbals & hi-hat. Still solid. All Zildjians.
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Bob Meyer
Well i use almost all vintage drums and cymbals & some hardware.. 1920s-1960s. Nothing like it. Keep those old drums & cymbals! 🙂 My only recommendation get a really comfortable seat for the old butt! Roc ‘N Soc… either saddle or round. & hydraulic. It’s worth the $$$
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JACQUES DEMATTOS
GREAT STORY. people have to understand we can’t ignore the past. Did you ever get the buttons you were looking for? Let me know what you need I might have some extras. JACQUES DEMATTOS class of 66 A Redskin classmate.
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rdmonroe5
Thank you, Jacques! I appreciate that. And thank you for asking about the winter carnival buttons. I did get some of them. Right this minute I stand 12 shy of a complete set of G.B. Trudeau buttons (I have ’73 also). I am missing the following: 1982, ’83 ’84, ’85, ’87, ’89, ’90, ’97, 2000, ’09, ’10, and 2014. I have a tentative line on five of them from a woman in Plattsburgh, but she’s in Florida right now and we haven’t negotiated a price, so that’s by no means a definite. I’d love any help I can get towards my goal of building a full set. My email is rdmonroe5@gmail.com, or you could DM me on Facebook, where I think I’m richardtmonroe1 (too much social media, I can’t keep track of who I am on what site sometimes). I live in Watertown, but I’m over SL way all the time. Please feel free to contact me. Thanks again for reading and commenting.
Thank you for writing this up. I was peripherally aware of the controversy from the comment updates that I receive via email, but I had not known the important details. I think that you are right to point out the dangers of retroactive censorship. If you’ll bear with me, my first thoughts approach the issue from a different angle: What is the purpose served by censoring historical speech in this way? Is “Saranac Laker” genuinely trying to help the living indigenous people of New York State in their plight, here and now?
Because while proactively changing team names and mascots can offer a very real form of ongoing restitution and combat the harmful perpetuation of dehumanizing stereotypes, going after a freelance writer (or his editor), retroactively, for using a historical term arguably does not. …What’s more, the fact remains that those purportedly interested in furthering the cause of indigenous justice in this way arguably perpetuate injustice towards living, breathing indigenous people by focusing exclusively on symbolic gestures. To those interested in advancing real, meaningful restitutions for our indigenous neighbors, I suggest that this must be done through real, positive advocacy–advocacy for land rights, for territorial sovereignty, for cultural revitalization efforts, for livable housing, for justice for missing and murdered indgenous women, for environmental injustice, for cultural reappropriation, among a myriad of other important issues. …Advocacy against cultural appropriation, while an important component, cannot be the ultimate and final goal–this alone cannot build a positive reality. As cynical as it sounds, I fear that the actions and attitudes of those engaging in this sort of politicized, watered-down “indigenous advocacy” (like “Saranac Laker”) are tantamount to indolent and detached tokenization of indigenous people, solely done for the purpose of advancing personal and political agendas.
And finally, it could be argued that some indigenous persons want to focus almost exclusively on symbolism; or, there are some that might argue that we need to follow proper protocol and interface with tribes through official channels every time any marginal use of the word “Red” comes up in a formal setting–notwithstanding the complete impracticality of this. …But we are all human beings, and I think that the least that each of us can do is to use some common sense as our guide and treat each other with respect–not as abstract symbols and fragile, historicized objects.
Richard,
Keep on keeping on my friend!
There is a Latin phrase that translates to “don’t let the bastards get you down“. I am completely supportive of your right to tell your story in your own words without censorship. Furthermore, even this old liberal finds absolutely no evidence of any racist intent in anything you have written.
And I will sign my name for all to see. Bob Meyer, Cortlandt Manor & Pottersville, NY
Thanks Bob. Sounds like the title to a Lynard Skynard Southern Rock ballad. I just bought two new pairs of sticks. Getting my drum set back up and running is on this year”s list. I probably need to invest in a new kit, but I still have all my old stands, cymbals & hi-hat. Still solid. All Zildjians.
Well i use almost all vintage drums and cymbals & some hardware.. 1920s-1960s. Nothing like it. Keep those old drums & cymbals! 🙂 My only recommendation get a really comfortable seat for the old butt! Roc ‘N Soc… either saddle or round. & hydraulic. It’s worth the $$$
GREAT STORY. people have to understand we can’t ignore the past. Did you ever get the buttons you were looking for? Let me know what you need I might have some extras. JACQUES DEMATTOS class of 66 A Redskin classmate.
Thank you, Jacques! I appreciate that. And thank you for asking about the winter carnival buttons. I did get some of them. Right this minute I stand 12 shy of a complete set of G.B. Trudeau buttons (I have ’73 also). I am missing the following: 1982, ’83 ’84, ’85, ’87, ’89, ’90, ’97, 2000, ’09, ’10, and 2014. I have a tentative line on five of them from a woman in Plattsburgh, but she’s in Florida right now and we haven’t negotiated a price, so that’s by no means a definite. I’d love any help I can get towards my goal of building a full set. My email is rdmonroe5@gmail.com, or you could DM me on Facebook, where I think I’m richardtmonroe1 (too much social media, I can’t keep track of who I am on what site sometimes). I live in Watertown, but I’m over SL way all the time. Please feel free to contact me. Thanks again for reading and commenting.